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had petitioned. And how were these the country, what need is there of this
petitions signed? By infinitely the mi- para led reformation?”
nority of each county. That from the When a remedy was fought for a
county of York contained only 9000 disease he knew not what -- when the
names. One purporting to be the peti- puny voice of a few difcontented people
tion of the county of Somerset contained broke in upon the tranquillity and
but 601 names, and another, from the reverend silence of the vast and satisfied
county of Suffolk, was signed only by the multitude-when even the discontented
heriff! Upon the whole, there were themselves were at variance, with re-
not more than 20,000 names to all the spect to the nature of their grievances,
petitions, and from this comparatively and the modes of their redress, he
small number, they were to collect the could not doubt a moment of the weak.
sense of the people of England!—To ness of giving way to such a spirit of
the paucity of the subscribers, he would projection. The addition of one hun-
add the manner in which the petitions dred, or even of fifty county members,
had been obtained. The aflizes were would give a decided superiority to
held twice every year, the sessions four the landed interest orer the commer-
times. Had the sense of the people cial; and it was the beauty of the
been collected on these occasions, when Houle of Commons, that, like the ge-
the inhabitants of each county met in neral fabric of the British legislature, it
the most fair and indiscriminate man- preferred the due balance between the

several great interests of the empire,
His lordlhip then requested the in- the larded, the commercial, and the
dulgence of the House, while he pro- monied. They were not the deputies,
cceded to say a few words of himself, but the representatives of the people.
as he conceived it would afford a fur- He, therefore, conjured the House to act
ther argument against the measure they like men, and like Britons, and to reject
were prefied to adopt. "I will not so deitructive a resolution.
affect (faid he to think that the ing. the best way of getting rid of it, he

() nuation thrown out refpe ting bad mi- should vote for the order of the day. nisters being continued in office, Mr. Beaufoy, in a speech more eleagainst the voice of the people, is not gant and correct than is usual for a levelled at me, but multum abludit imago. member the first time of his rising in I was not, when I was honoured with the House, ascribed all the evils of the office, a minister of chance, or a crea- late war to the want of á due conture of whom parliament had no ex- nexion between the people and their perience. I was found among you; I representatives. had been long known to you. In con- Mr. Fox concurred in thinking, that sequence, I obtained your support; the contitution required fome reform; when that support was withdrawn, I from its nature it required innovation ceased to be a minister. I was the and renovation. Contrary

to the creature of parliament in my rise; common opinion, he looked upon it when I feil, I was its victim. I have to be admirable in practice, but imbeen the creature of your opinion and perfect, and even faulty, in theory. It your power, and the history of my po- coniided in three states, King, Lords, litical life is a proof that will overturn and Comnions, but it was absurd to a thousand wild affertions, that there think that one man fhould have an is a corrupt influence in the crown, equal power to the whole multitude; which destroys the independence of in practice, therefore, that power was this House. Does my history shew witely curtailed, and not lodged in the the undue influence of the crown? Is breast of one man, but in a governit not, on the contrary, the strongest ment confiiting of several. He proof of the potent eficacy of the admitted that the American war had public voice? If, then, that voice is been begun by the wishes of the people: lo powerful, as to remove whatever when it provid unsuccessful, they were may be displeasing to the opinions of for putting an end to it long before

And as

was ended, and therein confised the Je- and the Quintuple Alliance. The honeft fect of the House of Commons. He next gentlemen who composed these meetadverted to Mr. T. Pitt's offer to give ings,and assumed ridiculous names, only up his borough. "The merit was nct deceived themselves. They thought the so great as it appeared, for the honour- attention of all the world was as much able gentleman knew that his offer en a-ed in the question of parliamentacould not be accepted. He expressed ry reform as they were, when, in fact, himself a warm friend to a reform; man- hardly any body else thought

or cared kind were made for themselres, and not about the matter. The iniluence of for others; it was the best government the crown, he contended, was as newhere the people had the greatest Share culary an ingredient in the conftituin it. He did not think the present tion as the power of the Commons, motion would go far enough, but he and he was firmly perfuaded had been was confident it would be an amend- too much curtailed already, but he ment, and as such would give it his trusted the time was not far distant, hearty support.

when it would be refiored to its former Mr. Welborc Ellis fupported Lord neceffary extent, in those particulars North. Sir Charles Turner said he in which the public felt a real injury knew the people expected his fenti- from its dimintiin. ments on the business, and it made him Mr. Sheridan, vir. Martin, Alderproud to think that they liad confidence man Sawbridge, and Sir Watkin Lewes in him. He was certainly for a reforn, fupported the motion, though it fell and should vote for the motion, though far fort of their wisies. he could have wished a committee to Mr. Mansfield, Mr. Dempster, and have been appointed in preference. Sir John Delaval opposed it.

The Lord Advocate'tated his reasons Mr. W. Pitt entered briefly into the for voting with Mr. Pitt, on the pre- arguments that had been advanced sent que tion; it was a subject which against his propositions, and defended he had attentively considered, and on them with great ability and address. which he had made up his mind. The House then divided on the order

Captain Luttrell entered pretty large- of the day, when the numbers were, ly into the origin and progrefs of par- ayes 293, noes 149. The motion was, liamentary representation, and repro- therefore, loit. bated the motion as more dangerous to May 8th, the Lords fent duwn the the constitutional existence of the amendments made by them in the bill country than all the powers of Europe for opening the intercourse with Amecombined in arms against it. The re- rica. The Speaker observed to the form aimed at, by all who talked of House, that as the bill empowered the moderate alterations, was such as tended crown to impof: duties, it was strictly moft io increase their own power and speaking a money bill; it, therefore, iniluence, while it would serve to ex- concerned the privileges of the House, tend that riot, ccnfufion, idleness, dif- not to sutier the Lords to make any fipation, and enmity which generally amendments in it. In corroboration prevail at elections.

of this doctrine, he read a minute of Lorul urrey faid, he certainly should one of his predecessors (Mr. Onslow) vote for the inotion, in preference to which stated, that it was clearly the the order of the day, but hoped the conftitutional privilege of that House people would not stop at that partial to vote fupplies, to manage loans, to reform.

tring in money bills, to settle erery Mr. Rigby ridiculed the petitions as part of them, and in short every thing few, and obtained by partial means. relating to the forms of bills affecting He was himself a bu'jets, fo was the the public rerenne; and further, that it mover of the question; burgefles were, was effential to the exercise of this priin his opinion, fully as respectable as vilege, that it should, on all *oc

, . county members. He laughed at the casions, be adhered to with the utmost refolutions of the Constitutional Society, Ariétness. In conformity to this opi.





nion, and the established practice of under the peculiar circumstances of the the House, the confideration of the case, the Admiralty did not choose to amendments was postponed, and a new pay, till they had the sanction of parbill, framed according to them, ordered liament for the measure. to be brought in and passed with all pos- Mr. Hopkins was fo far from agreefible dispatch.

ing that too much was now asked for, The House then proceeded to hear that he thought the very reverse. The counsel in the case of Sir Thomas fum asked last year was undoubtedly Rumbold.

very large, and why? Because the fum May 12th, in a Committee of asked, for several preceding years, had Supply, Mr. Ord in the chair, Lord been so far too finall, and by no means John Cavendish moved for various fums adequate to the public exigency. By to make good the deficiencies of taxes saying this, he did and grants for last year, which were blame Lord Sandwich, or any particuseverally agreed to.

lar board of Admiralty. The blame The Hon. John Townshend mored, lay wholly with the noble lord who that a fun not exceeding 457,9891. be had presided over the government of voted for the ordinaries of the navy, this country, at the commencement and a further sum of 311,8481. for the aniduring the progress of the accursed, extraordinaries.

ruinous, and destructive American war; Mr. Buller said, he was glad to find he who, when the war broke out, had that the mode of estimate, which had the offrontery to tell that House, that been so often reprobated in that House there was not even a probability of the as fallacious, was at laft found to be House of Bourbon taking part in the the mode beit adapted to the nature of quarrel. the service,, by those who had for- Lord Mulgrave infifted that Lord merly been loudest in their censures. Sandwich had proved himself an able But he could not help remarking on an upright miniser, and when his the conduct of the Admiralty, in having conduct cane to be fairly enquired insuperannuated Mr. Jackfon, with a to, and the prejudice naturally attendpension of 4001. per annum, than ing unsuccessiul enterprises was thrown whom a more able and honest min alide, the public would be of the same never served the public, who was fill opinion. He called the attention of in the full posleifion of all his talents, the committee to the deplorable situaand as capable and as willing to serve tion of officers' wilows, whose pension the public as ever. He complained of was paid merely when they were rethe enormous amount of the navy ex- duced to necellity. traordinaries, which he declared ex- He truited, therefore, that the House ceeded the sum alhed for at the end of would agive to a propofition, which he the last war, in more than 200,000l. meant to bring forward at a fit opporHe remonítrated again the prono- tunity in their behalf. At the end tions, as an unnecetluy barthen to the of a war, in which few officers had country, and thug they were, in gotten much, they looked up to prefome measure, unavoidable at the end ferment, as a thing insinitely preferable of a war, he should itill contend that to every consideration of emolument. there was no occasion for so many hav- It was that fort of reward which best ing been made.

gratified the honest pride of those men Mr. Townthend replied, that, at the who readiiy risqued their lives in their conclusion of the lalt peace, only country's service, and he hoped never 10,000l. had been alked iur, but that to see it withheld, or dealt out with a fun was found fo inadequate to the niggardly hand. service, that next year 200,cool. more Sir Grey Cooper defended Lord was voted, and munters blamed for North, and reprehended fo violent an not having akei en juzh at once. attack being made upon him in his The present extraordinary included the absence, and that without its having fum for Lord Rodney's prizes, which,' the leait reference to the question.


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A conversation altogether desultory discussion of the business. He called now took place, from which Mr. Mell. Powell and Bembridge unfortuDempster recalled the committee, and nate men, and said they had been comthe resolutions were put and agreed mitted to his protection by the hand of to.

Providence. May 13. Agreed to the report from Mr. W. Pitt said the Treasury mithe comınittee of the votes for the nutes were necessary to vindicate the ordinary and extraordinary of the navy. characters of those, by whose advice

May 14. In a committee on the they had been dismissed from their bill for preventing bribery, corruption, office. Mr. Fox and Lord North conand expence at elections, amended the tended, that it would be cruel and first clause, by subjecting to a penalty unjust to send men to trial, prejudged those who should confine or carry away by that House. The motion being electors, and went through the other carried by a small majority, clauses.

May 20th, Mr. Rolle gave notice May 15. Mr. Alderman Sawbridge that he would again bring forward the made his annual motion for shortening farne business in another thape, and the duration of parliaments, which Al- May 21st, Seeing the Paymaster-Gederinan Bull, as usual, feconded. neral in his place, requeiłed him to

Mr. Barrow moved the previous inform the House, whether he still perquestion. Alderman Sawbridge faid, fevered in his intention of keeping that he would not suffer gentlemen to Mefl. Powell and Bembridge in office. skulk behind a previous question, for if Mr. Burke entered into a long detail by that means his motion should be loft of the merits of these gentlemen, and for that day, he would renew it every of the motives on which he had restored day, till it received an open negative them, but said that he was not wedded or affirmative. Mr. Barrow then with- to his own opiwion, and would be ruled drew his motion, and the House di- by the sense of the House. Many vided on the Alderman's, which was members took part in the conversation negatived, noes 123; ayes 56.

that ensued, and it was settled, withMay 19. General Smith gave notice, out a division, that they Mould be rethat he intended to move some resolu- mored. tions grounded on the report from the Mr. Daubeny then moved that the select committee on India affairs. Go- second reading of the Custom-House vernor Johnstone said, that to vote reform bill should be deferred for three resolutions of censure against indivi- months. Mr. Gascoigne jun. feconded

reports of committees the motion. Mr. Pitt defended the only, without examining the evidence principle of the bill, but admitted some on which suchi reports were founded, of the claufes might be objectionable; was repugnant to justice; he should, the fairett way would, therefore, be, therefore, more for the original mi- to let it go to a committee, and then nutes of the committee. Captain John the feverai clauses might be argued, Luttrell feconded the motion, which and fuchs alterations made as might be being amended, by inserting the word thought neceffary. : Mr. Daubeny "copies" instead of “ originals," was withdrew his motion, upon which the agreed to.

bill was read a siccnd time, and orLord Newhaven mored, that, as a dered to be committed. profecution was coromenced againit May 23. Mr. Maurice Lloyd frated, Mefl. Fowell and Ferbridge in the that in searching into the accounts of courts below, the order of the 24th of the Lank, he found that there was so April, for a copy of the Trecfury mi. large a sum as 1,280,000l. on which nutes relating to thefe gentlemen, 1hould no interelt had been paid for the last be discharged. This brought on a de- ferente dhe years; he, therefore, moved bate, in which many genilemen took for an account of all such sums, on part. Mr. Burke apologised for the which disidends were due and unpaid, warmth he had betrayed on the former up to the settling day of the year 1780.


the duals, upon

The motion not being seconded fell to serve to change the practice with regard the ground.

to resignation bonds, we mean to enter In a committee, went through the more ininutely into the matter, in the bill to punish idle and disorderly per- Appendix. fons, on whom implements of house- In the House of Commons, Lord breaking might be found in the night, Mahon's new bill for preventing bribewith several amendments.

ry at elections was brought in. Mr. The House being refumed, the re. W. Pitt informed the House, that, in port on the bill to prevent bribery and consequence of the objections made to expence at elections was read a second the bill for abolishing certain patent time.

and other places in the Customs, he May 26. Lord Mahon informed was willing to drop it for the present the House, that as he by no means ap- year. He, therefore, moved to disproved of the amendments which the charge the order for its commitment, bill had received in the committee, he and to adjourn the further consideration would give it up, and move for leave of it for three months. This motion to bring up a new one, not exactly, but being carried, he followed it with a nearly similar, which need not occa- refolution for restraining “ his Mafion any debate. Leave was given. jesty's ministers, from granting, or ad

The Speaker having left the chair, viling to grant any patent or reversion and Mr. Ord having taken his feat at of any patent or other place in the the table, Lord John Carendiih entered Customs, otherwise than during pleaupon the arduous task of opening the fure, before the next session of parliabudget of taxes, for an account of ment.” Sir William Dolben was of which we must refer the reader to the opinion, that this being the acknowAppendix.

ledged prerogative of the King, which May 27. Mr. Ord reported the could not be fufpended by a resolution resolutions which had passed the day of that House, it would be more probefore, in the Committee of Ways and per and respectful to address his MaMeans. After some debate on that jesty to that effect. The question was relative to the wheel tax, which was put on the resolution, and carried. carried on a division, the other resolu- Heard counsel against the bill of pains tions were agreed to unanimously, and and penalties against Sir Thomas Rumbills ordered in upon them.

bold. Heard counsel and examined wit- June 2. Mr. W. Pitt brought in a nesses in the case of Sir Thomas Rum- bill for regulating the different public boid.

offices, the purpose of which, he itated, May 28. General Smith rose to move was to embrace all the different objects sereral resolutions on the reports of the pointed out in the King's speech, at select committee, the cbject of which the opening of the session.

The mowas to censure Sir William James and tion for printing the bill being carried, Mr. Sullivan, for neglect in transmit- he moved for accounts of the fees, ting dispatches to India. Mr. Fox gratuities, and perquisites received in thought, that, as the present was only the said offices, and of the annual inpart of the India business, the whole of cidental charges incurred in each, which

which must foon be submitted to the were ordered. ol House, it was unnecessary to pursue it Mr. Burke having adverted to some

then. He, therefore, mored the next complaints relative to the fees taken at order of the day, which was for hear- the 'Treasury, for passports to Ameing counsel on the Anglesea mine bill

. rica and other parts, moved for acMay 30. In the Upper House, the counts of all fees received on passports great questien concerning the legality given to any hips, at the Secretary of of bonds of resignation was argued, State's, or any other office, from the

and decided in the negative, by a ma- zoth of November 1782. Mr. Pitt i jority of a single voice. As this de- feconded the motion. Mr. Burke then cition will not only be a precedent, but moved for copies of all letters apply

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