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ruin. For the signing of the preli- definitive treaties a matter not of choice
minaries that House had refused to but necessity, the inconsistency would
thank the crown, though the address vaniíh. When any man assigned the
moved on that occasion was nearly the decrease of our fleets and the disorder
fame with that which it was now pro- of our finances, as reasons for con-
posed to carry; Gentlemen muít, cluding such a peace as the latt, it was
therefore, see that he would vote for incumbent on him to prove, that the
it, as it would prove the panegyric of decrease of the one and disorder of the
those ministers to whom the House had other had taken place fimply, unac-
then denied their thanks. He wished companied by similar misfortunes in the
to hear why the ligning of the definitive fleets and finances of the enemy. Our
treaties had been fu long delayed. He finances, it was true, were not in as
hoped that ministers had thought ma- good a state as could be wished, but
turely on the affairs of India; and would the honourable gentleman un-
that they would come to parliament, dertake to prove, from any event that
with a well-digested system of govern- had happened this summer (alluding to
ment for the British postessions in that the late failure of the Caiile d'Escomte
part of the world, which were now in Paris) that the French Treasury was
become the first object of considera- in such a state, as to set bankruptcy at
tion in the empire, the finances of the defiance. The definitive treaties might,
country alone excepted. Peace would perhaps, have been figned fooner, but
'little avail us, if the respite afforded if any advantages had been gained by

from the expences of war were not the delav, and no posible expence in.
employed to raise the sinking credit of curred, he trusted that the House would
the nation, and to prevent those frauds not cenfure ministers on that head.
which rendered the revenue unproduc- He then stated the several causes of
tive. He counselled ministers to act delay, and the advantages thence ac-
with boldnefs; to bring forward the cruing. The proprietors of lands in
amount of the funded and unfunded Tobago had been secured in their pro-
debt. The people would then be perty. The African trade, particularly
made acquainted with their real fitua- the Gum trade, had been fettled, and
tion, and thence be con inced of the the coast, on which the latter may
neceflity of subiritting to new burdens. be carried on, particularly atcertained.
He lamented that no notice had been The manner in which both crowns
taken of the commercial treaty with were to behare with respect to their
America. He was acquainted with allies, which before was vague and in-
the difficulty of the business, and was definite, was now made fo clcar, that
willing to ascribe the delay to the na- it could not be mistaken, nor become
'ture of the negociation. He expects the ground of future quarrel. It had
ed, however, that one grand fyftem been contended by the courts of Madrid
of commerce, built on the circum- and Versailles, that if two years after
ttances of the times, would soon be signing the Definitive Treaties, the time
submitted to the consideration of the fixed for fettling the new commercial
Hlouse. If the measures proposed by arrangements, should expire, without
ministers should meet his ideas, he any such arrangements taking place, the
would not endeavour, by an ignoble treaty of Utrecht, which had alwar's
oppontion, to defeat them, but, on been deemed highly beneficial to this
the contrary, would give them all the country, would be completely annulled;
fupport in his power.

this inconvenience was now removed. Wr. Fox faid, that the honourable 'The treaty of Utrecht, and all other gentleiran withed to fasten on the pre- treaties between France, Spain, and this fent ir nitlers the impuration of in- country, had been unconditionally reconfiftency; but when it was considered, newed; so that let the negociations for that the tigning of the preliininary ar- new commercial arrangements terminate ticles had piedged the faith of the na- as they would, England could be no tion, and rendered the signing of the worse than she was. He nextexplained was ended, and therein confifted the de- and the Quintuple Alliance. The honeft fect of the House of Commons. Tienext gentlemen wlio composed these meetadverted to Mr. T. Pitt's offer to give ings, and assumed ridiculous names, only up his borough. The merit was nct deceived themselves. They thought the so great as it appeared, for the honour- attention of all the world was as much able gentleman knew that his offer engaged in the question of parliamentacould not be accepted. He exprefled ry reform as they were, when, in fact, himself a warm friend to a reform; man- hardly any body else thought or cared kind were made for themselves, and not about the matter. The influence of for others; it was the best government the crown, he contended, was as newhere the people had the greatest fare ceffary an ingredient in the conftituin it. He did not think the present tion as the power of the Commons, motion would go far enough, but he and he was firmly perfuaded had been was confident it would be an amend- too much curtailed already, but he ment, and as such would give it his trusted the time was not far difiant, hearty support.

when it would be restored to its former Mr. Welbore Ellis fupported Lord neceffary extent, in those particulars North. Sir Charles Turner said he in which the public felt a real injury knew the people expected his fenti- from its diminution). ments on the befiness, and it made him Mr. Sheridan, Mr. Martin, Alderproud to think that they liad confidence man Sawbridge, and Sir Watkin Lewes in him. He was certainly for a refox.n, fupported the motion, though it feil and should vote for the motion, though far fort of their withies. he could have wished a committee to Mr. Mansfield, Mr. Dempser, and have been appointed in preference. Sir John Delaval opposed it.

The Lord Advocate tated liis reasons Mr. W. Pitt entered briefly into the for voting with Mr. Pitt, on the pre- arguments that had been advanced sent que tion; it was a subject which against his propofitions, and defended he had attentively considered, and on them with great ability and address. which he had made up his mind. The House then dirided on the order

Captain Luttreil entered pretty large of the day, when the numbers were, ly into the origin and progress of par- ayes 293, nces 149. The motion was, Jiamentary representation, and repro- therefore, loft. bated the motion as more dangerous to May 8th, the Lords fent down the the constitutional existence of the amendments made by them in the bill country than all the powers of Europe for opening the intercourse with Amecombined in arms against it. The re- rica. The Speaker observed to the form aimed at, by all who talked of House, that as the bill empowered the moderate alterations, was such as tended crown to impose duties, it was strictly most to increase their own power and speaking a money bill; it, therefore, influence, while it would ferre to ex- concerned the privileges of the House, tend that riot, confusion, idleness, dif- not to sutier the Lords to make any fipation, and enmity which generally amendments in it. In corroboration prevail at elections.

of this doctrine, he read a minute of Lord Surrey faid, he certainly should one of his predeceffors (Mr. Onslow) vote for the motion, in preference to which ftated, that it was clearly the the order of the day, but hoped the constitutional privilege of that House people would not stop at that partial to vote supplies, to manage loans, to reform.

bring in money bills, to settle erery Mr. Rigby ridiculed the petitions as part of them, and in short every thing few, and obtained by partial means. relating to the forms of bills atñecting He was himself a bu', it's, fo was the the public rerenne; and further, that it mover of the question; burgeiles were, was essential to the exercise of this priin his opinion, fully as refpectable as vilege, that it should, on county members. he laughed at the casions, be adhered to with the utmost retruns of the Constitutional Society, Arictness. In conformity to this opi.

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nion, and the established practice of under the peculiar circumstances of the the House, the confideration of the case, the Admiralty did not choose to amendments was postponed, and a new pay, till they had the sanction of parbill, framed according to them, ordered liament for the measure. to be brought in and passed with all pos- Mr. Ilopkins was so far from agreefible dispatch.

ing that too much was now asked for, The House then proceeded to hear that he thought the very reverse. The counsel in the case of Sir Thomas fum afked last year was undoubtedly Ruinbold.

very large, and why? Because the sun May 12th, in a Committee of asked, for several preceding years, had Supply, Mr. Ord in the chair, Lord been so far too finall

, and by no means John Cavendish moved for various sums adequate to the public exigency. By to make good the deficiencies of taxes saying this, he did and grants for last year, which were blame Lord Sandwich, or any particuseverally agreed to.

lar board of Admiralty. The blame The Hon. John Townshend moved, lay whelly with the noble lord who that a furn not exceeding 457,9891. be had presided over the government of voted for the ordinaries of the navy, this country, at the commencement and a further sum of 311,8481. for the and during the progress of the accursed, extraordinaries.

ruinous, and destructive American war; Mr. Buller said, he was glad to find he who, when the war broke out, had that the mode of eitimate, which had the offrontery to tell that House, that been so often reprobated in that House there was not eren a probability of the as fallacious, was at laft found to be House of Buarbon taking part in the the mode beit adapted to the nature of quarrel. the service,, by those who had for- Lord Mulgrave infiited that Lord merly been loudest in their censures. Sandwich had proved himself an able But he could not help remarking on an upright mininer, and when his the conduct of the Admiralty, in having conduct came to be fairly enquired infuperannuated Mr. Jackfon, with a to, and the prejudice naturally attendpension of 400l. per annum, than ing unsuccessful enterprises was thrown whom a more able and honeft mun alde, the public would be of the same never served the public, who was fill opinion. He called the attention of in the full posleificn of all his talents, the committee to the deplorable fituaand as capable and as willing to ferve tion of officers' wilows, whose penfion the public as cver. He compiained of was paid merely when they were rethe enormous amount of the navy ex- duced to neceility. traordinaries, which he declared ex- He trusted, therefore, that the House ceeded the sum ained for at the end of would agree to a propofition, which he the last war, in more than 200,000l. meant to bring forward at a fit opporHe remonstrated against the proino- tunity in their behalf. At the end tions, as an unnecellary burtien to the of a war, in which few officers had country, and though they were, in gotten much, they looked up to presome measure, unavoidable at the end ferment, as a thing infinitely preferable of a war, he fould still contend that to every consideration of emolument. there was no occasion for so many hav- It was that sort of reward which belt ing been made.

gratified the honest pride of those men Mr. Townthend replied, that, at the who readiiy risqued their lives in their conclusion of the lalt peace, only coantry's fervice, and he hoped never 10,000l. had been asked for, but that to see it withheld, or dealt out with a

was found fo inaequate to the niggardly hand. service, that next year 200,cool. in re Sir Grey Cooper defended Lord was voted, and munters blamed for North, and reprehended so violent an not havin alkei enough at attack being made upon him in his The present extraordinary included the absence, and that without its having fum for Lord Rodney's prizes, which,' the leait reference to the question.

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bill was read a ficond time, and orLord Newhaven moed, that, as a dered to be committed. profecution was cousnenced again't May 23. Mr. Maurice Lloyd stated, Ms. Powell and Ten.bridge in the that in searching into the accounts of courts below, the order of the 24th of the Lank, he found that there was so April, for a copy of the Trr: fury m. large a lum as 1,280,cool. on which nutes relating to these gentieren, thould no interelt had been paid for the last be discharged. This brought on a de- seventeen years; he, therefore, moved bite, in which many gentlemen took for an account of all such sumns, on part. Mr. Burke apologized for the which disidends were due and unpaid, wam'hi he had betrayed on the former up to the settling day of the year 1780.

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to resignation bonds, we mean to enter In a committee, went through the more minutely into the inatter, in the bill to punish idle and diforderly per- Appendix. fons, on whom implements of house- In the House of Commons, Lord breaking might be found in the night, Mahon's new bill for preventing bribe. with several amendments.

ry at elections was brought in. Mr. The Houfe being refumed, the re- W. Pitt informed the House, that, in port on the bill to prevent bribery and consequence of the objections made to expence at elections was read a second the bill for abolishing certain patent time.

and other places in the Customs, he May 26. Lord Mahon informed was willing to drop it for the present the House, that as he by no means ap- year. He, therefore, moved to difproved of the amendments which the charge the order for its commitment, bill had received in the committee, he and to adjourn the further consideration would give it up, and move for leave of it for three months. This motion to bring up a new one, not exactly, but being carried, he followed it with a nearly similar, which need not occa- resolution for restraining “ his Mafion any debate. Leave was given. jesty's ministers, from granting, or ad

The Speaker having left the chair, vising to grant any patent or reversion and Vir. Ord having taken his seat at of any patent or other place in the the table, Lord John Carendish entered Customs, otherwise than during pleaupon the arduous task of opening the fure, before the next session of parliabudget of taxes, for an account of ment.” Sir William Dolben was of which we must refer ihe reader to the opinion, that this being the acknowAppendix.

ledged prerogative of the King, which May 27. Mr. Ord reported the could not be fufpended by a resolution

. resolutions which had passed the day of that House, it would be more probefore, in the Committee of Ways and per and respectful to address his MaMleans. After some debate on that jesty to that eífect. The question was relative to the wheel tax, which was put on the resolution, and carried. carried on a division, the other resolu- Heard counsel against the bill of pains tions were agreed to unanimously, and and penalties against Sir Thomas Rumbills ordered in upon them.

bold. Heard counsel and examined wit- June 2. Mr. W. Pitt brought in a nesses in the case of Sir Thomas Rum- bill for regulating the different public boid.

offices, the purpose of which, he itated, May 28. General Smith rose to move was to embrace all the different objects several resolutions on the reports of the pointed out in the King's speech, at select committee, the object of which the opening of the session. The mowas to censure Sir William James and tion for printing the bill being carried, Mr. Sullivan, for neglect in transmit- he moved for accounts of the fees, ting dispatches to India. Mr. Fox gratuities, and perquisites received in thought, that, as the present was only the said ottices, and of the annual inpart of the India business, the whole of cidental charges incurred in each, which which must soon be submitted to the were ordered. House, it was unnecessary to pursue it Mr. Burke having adverted to fome then. He, therefore, mored the next complaints relative to the fees taken at order of the day, which was for hear- the 'Treasury, for passports to Ameing counsel on the Anglesea mine bill. rica and other parts, moved for ac

May 30. In the Upper House, the counts of all fees received on passports

great queftion concerning the legality given to any ships, at the Secretary of 1 of bonds of resignation was argued, State's, or any other office, from the

and decided in the negative, by a ma- 3oth of November 1782. Mr. Pitt jority of a single voice. As this de- feconded the motion. Mr. Burke then cition will not only be a precedent, but moved for copies of all letters apply

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