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ruin. For the signing of the preli- definitive treaties a matter not of choice minaries that House had refused to but necessity, the inconsistency would thank the crown, though the address vanish. When any man afligned the moved on that occasion was nearly the decrease of our fleets and the disorder fame with that which it was now pro- of our finances, as reasons for conposed to carry; Gentlemen must, cluding such a peace as the lait, it was therefore, see that he would vote for incumbent on him to prove, that the it, as it would prove the panegyric of decrease of the one and disorder of the those ministers to whom the House had other had taken place fimply, unacthen denied their thanks. He wiihied companied by similar misfortunes in the to hear why the ligning of the definitive fleets and finances of the enemy. Our treaties had been tu long delayed. He finances, it was true, were not in as hoped that ministers had thought ma- good a state as could be wished, but turely on the affairs of India; and would the honourable gentleman unthat they would come to parliament, dertake to prove, from any event that with a well-digefted system of govern- had happened this summer (alluding to ment for the British poífessions in that the late failure of the Caiile d'Escomte part of the world, which were now in Paris) that the French Treasury was become the first object of considera- in such a state, as to set bankruptcy at tion in the empire, the finances of the defiance. The definitive treaties might, country alone excepted. Peace would perhaps, have been figned sooner, but "little avail us, if the refpite afforded if any advantages had been gained by

from the expences of war were not the delay, and no poflīble expence inemployed to raise the sinking credit of curred, he trusted that the House would the nation, and to prevent those frauds not censure ministers on that head. which rendered the revenue unproduc- He then stated the several causes of tive. He counselled ministers to act delay, and the advantages thence acwith boldness; to bring forward the cruing. The proprietors of lands in amount of the funded and unfunded Tobago had been secured in their prodebt. The people would then be perty. The African trade, particularly made acquainted with their real fitua- the Gum trade, had been fettled, and tion, and thence be convinced of the the coast, on which the latter may necessity of subıritting to new burdens. be carried on, particularly atcertained. He lamented that no notice had been The manner in which both crowns taken of the commercial treaty with were to behare with respect to their America. He was acquainted with allies, which before was vague and inthe difficulty of the business, and was definite, was now made fo clcar, that willing to ascribe the delay to the na- it could not be mistaken, nor become 'ture of the negociation. He expect- the ground of future quarrel. It had ed, however, that one grand system been contended by the courts of Madrid of commerce, built on the circum- and Versailles, that if two years after Itances of the times, would soon be figning the Definitive Treaties, the time submitted to the consideration of the fixed for settling the new commercial liouse. If the measures proposed by arrangements, should expire, without ministers Thould meet his ideas, he any such arrangements taking place, the would not endeavour, by an ignoble treaty of Utrecht, which had alwar's opposition, to defeat them, but, on been deemed highly beneficial to this the contrary, would give them all the country, would be completely annulled; fupport in his power.

this inconvenience was now removed. Xr. Fos fuid, that the honourable 'The treaty of Utrecht, and all other gentleinan wished to faften on the pre- treaties between France, Spain, and this fent miniilers the imputation of in- country, had been unconditionally reconsistency; but when it was considered, newed; so that let the negociations for that the signing of the preliminary ar- new commercial arrangeinents terminate ticles had widged the faith of the na- as they would, England could be no tion, and rendered the signing of the worse than the was. He nextemplaired was ended, and therein confifted the de- and the Quintuple Alliance. The honeft fect of the House of Commons. Fie next gentlemen who composed these meetadverted to Mr. T. Pitt's offer to give ings, and assumed ridiculous names, , only up his borough. The merit was not deceived themselves. They thought the so great as it appeared, for the honour- attention of all the world was as much able gentleman knew that his offer engaged in the question of parliamentacould not be accepted. He expreiled ry reform as they were, when, in fact, himself a warm friend to a reform; man- hardly any body else thought or cared kind were made for themselves, and not about the matter. The influence of for others; it was the best government the crown, he contended, was as newhere the people had the greatest share celary an ingrcdicnt in the confiituin it. He did not think the present tion as the power of the Commons, motion would go far enough, but he and he was firmly persuaded had been was confident it would be an amend- too much curtailed already, but he ment, and as such would give it his trusted the time was not far difiant, hearty fupport.

when it would be restored to its former Mr. Welbore Ellis supported Lord niecessary extent, in those particulars North. Sir Charles Turner said he in which the public felt a real injury knew the people expected his fenti- from its diminution. ments on the business, and it made him Mr. Sheridan, Mr. Martin, Alderproud to think that they liad confidence man Sawbridge, and Sir Watkin Lewes in him. He was certainly for a reforn, fupported the motion, though it feil and should vote for the motion, though far frort of their wifies. he could have wished a committee to Mr. Mansfeld, Mr. Dempster, and have been appointed in preference. Sir John Delaval opposed it.

The Lord Advocate'tated his reasons Mr. W. Pitt entered briefly into the for voting with Mr. Pitt, on the pre- arguments that had been advanced sent que lion; it was a subject which against his propositions, and defended he had attentively considered, and on them with great ability, and address. which he had made up his mind. The House then divided on the order

Captain Luttreil entered pretty large- of the day, when the numbers were, ly into the origin and progress of par- ayes 293, noes 149.

The motion was, liamentary representation, and repro- therclore, loft. bated the motion as more dangerous to May 8th, the Lords fent duwn the the constitutional existence of the amendments made by them in the bill country than all the powers of Europe for opening the intercourse with Amecombined in arms against it. The re- rica. The Speaker observed to the form aimed at, by all who talked of House, that as the bill empowered the moderate alterations, was such as tended crown to impose duties, it was strictly most to increase their own power and speaking a money bill; it, therefore, influence, while it would serve to ex- concerned the privileges of the House, tend that riot, confusion, idleness, dif- not to surier the Lords to make any sipation, and enmity which generally amendments in it. In corroboration prevail at elections.

of this doctrine, he read a minute of Lord Surrey faid, he certainly should one of his predecessors (Mr. Onslow) vote for the motion, in preference to which stated, that it was clearly the the order of the day, but hoped the constitutional privilege of that House people would not stop at that partial to vote supplies, to manage loans, to reform.

bring in money bills, to settle erery Mr. Rigby ridiculed the petitions as part of them, and in short every thing few, and obtained by partial means. relating to the forms of bills affecting He was himself a buizats, fo was the the public rerenne; and further, that it mover of the question; bargeles were, was essential to the exercise of this priin his opinion, fully as refpectable as vilege, that it should, on all occounty members. he laughed at the casions, be adhered to with the utmost relations of the Constitutional Society, Arietness. In conformity to this opi.


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nion, and the established practice of under the peculiar circumstances of the the House, the confideration of the case, the Admiralty did not choose to amendments was postponed, and a new pay, till they had the sanction of parbill, framed according to them, ordered liament for the measure. to be brought in and passed with all pos- Mr. Hopkins was fo far from agreefible dispatch.

ing that too much was now asked for, The House then proceeded to hear that he thought the very reverse. The counsel in the case of Sir Thomas sum asked last year was undoubtedly Rumbold.

very large, and why? Because the suin May 12th, in a Committee of asked, for several preceding years, had Supply, Mr. Ord in the chair, Lord been so far too sınall, and by no means John Cavendish moved for various sums adequate to the public exigency. By to make good the deficiencies of taxes saying this, he did and grants for last year, which were blame Lord Sandwich, or any particuseverally agreed to.

lar board of Admiralty. The blame The Hon. John Townshend moved, lay wholly with the noble lord who that a su:n not exceeding 457,9891. be had presided over the government of voted for the ordinaries of the navy, this country, at the commencement and a further sum of 311,8481. for the and during the progress of the accursed, extraordinaries.

ruinous, and destructive American war; Mr. Buller said, he was glad to find he who, when the war broke out, had that the mode of estimate, which had the offroutery to tell that House, that been so often reprobated in that House there was not even a probability of the as fallacious, was at lat found to be House of Bourbon taking part in the the mode belt adapted to the nature of quarrel. the service,, by those who had for- Lord Mulgrare insisted that Lord merly been loudest in their censures. Sandwich had proved himself an able But he could not help remarking on and upright miniiler, and when his the conduct of the Admiralty, in having conduct came to be fairly enquired insuperannuated Mr. Jackson, with a to), and the prejudice naturally attendpension of 400l. per annum, than ing unsuccessful enterprises was thrown whom a more able and honelt man alide, the public would be of the same never served the public, who was still opinion. He called the attention of in the full posseificn of all his talents, the committee to the deplorable situaand as capable and as willing to serve tion of oilicers' wilows, whose penfion the public as cver. He compiained of was paid merely when they were rethe enormous amount of the navy ex- duced to neceility. traordinaries, which he declared ex- He trusted, therefore, that the House ceeded the sum alked for at the end of would agree to a proposition, which he the latt war, in more than 200,000l. meant to bring forward at a fit opporHe remonítrated agzinit the prono- tunity in their behalf. At the end tions, as an unnecetary barthen to the of a wrr, in which few officers had country, and though they were, in gotten much, they looked up to presome measure, unavoidable at the end ferment, as a thing infinitely preferable of a war, he mould still contend that to every consideration of emolument. there was no occasion for so many hav- It was that sort of reward which best ing been made.

gratified the honest pride of those men Mr. Townfiend replied, that, at the who readiiy risqued their lives in their conclusion of the last peace, only country's service, and he hoped never 10,000l. had been asked for, but that to see it withheld, or dealt out with a fum was found fo inaviequate to the niggardly hand. service, that next year 200,cool. inbre Sir Grey Cooper defended Lord was voted, and minders biamed for North, and reprehended fo violent an not having asked enoug! at attack being made upon him in his The present extraordinary included the absence, and that without its having sum for Lord Rodney's prizes, which,' the leait reference to the question.


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a br 16,tested to more feine er lu- Et 1:06.1 g/1,2,3...d on the report for the X. Dat tren more that the 1olectat:lee on India afairs. Go feed reading of the Carlcm-house vrrnor Joinfione faid, tiat in vce rior blitoutte dere.redior chrte treb-stions of cenfure ait indisi mort's. Sr. Gafu vignejus. eunuci dial, upon the reports si con...ittee's the past. V:. Pitt ctended the oniy, without examining the ciicere principle of the b.ll, but ac'mized some on whish such reports were founded, of the causes might be objectionable; was r potrznent to justice; he thould, tile faire't way would, therefore, be, therefore, flore for the original mi- to let it go to a committee, and then nutes of the comitte. Certain forn the featši clauses might be argued, Luttrell facended the mtiin, which and luci alterations made as might be being amended, by insenting the word thought neceffary: Mr. Daubeny copies" infcad éf originals," was withdrew his motion, upon which the agreed to.

bill was read a ficcnd time, and orLord Newhaven moped, that, as a dered to be committed. profecution way connenced against May 23. Mr. Maurice Lloyd frated, 'Mal. Powell and lembridge in the that in searching into the accounts of courts below, the order of the 24th of the Lank, he found that there was so April, for a copy of the Trei fury mi. large a sum as 1,280,cool. on which nutes relating to the fi gentienen, ihould no interelt had been paid for the last be discharged. This brought on a de- seventeen years; he, therefore, moved bate, in which many genücmen took for an account of all such suins, on part. Mr. Burke apologited for the which dividends were due and unpaid, warmth ke had betrayed on the former up to the settling day of the year 1780.


The motion not being seconded fell to serve to change the practice with regard the ground.

to resignation bonds, we mean to enter In a committee, went through the more minutely into the matter, in the bill to punish idle and disorderly per- Appendix. fons, on whom implements of house- In the House of Commons, Lord breaking might be found in the night, Mahon's new bill for preventing bribewith several amendments.

ry at elections was brought in. Mr. The House being refumed, the re- W. Pitt informed the House, that, in port on the bill to prevent bribery and consequence of the objections made to expence at elections was read a second the bill for abolishing certain patent time.

and other places in the Customs, he May 26. Lord Mahon informed was willing to drop it for the present the House, that as he by no means ap- year. He, therefore, moved to difproved of the amendments which the charge the order for its commitment, bill had received in the committee, he and to adjourn the further consideration would give it up, and move for leave of it for three months. This motion to bring up a new one, not exactly, but being carried, he followed it with a nearly limilar, which need not occa- resolution for restraining “ his Malion any debate. Leave was given. jesty's ministers, from granting, or ad

The Speaker having left the chair, vising to grant any patent or reversion and Mr. Ord having taken his seat at of any patent or other place in the the table, Lord John Cavendish entered Customs, otherwise than during pleaupon the arduous task of opening the sure, before the next session of parliabudget of taxes, for an account of ment.” Sir William Dolben was of which we must refer the reader to the opinion, that this being the acknowAppendix.

ledged prerogative of the King, which May 27. Mr. Ord reported the could not be suspended by a resolution resolutions which had passed the day of that House, it would be more probefore, in the Committee of Ways and per and respectful to address his MaMeans. After some debate on that jesty to that effect. The question was relative to the wheel tax, which was put on the resolution, and carried. carried on a division, the other resolu- Heard counsel against the bill of pains tions were agreed to unanimously, and and penalties against Sir Thomas Rumbills ordered in


bold: Heard counsel and examined wit- June 2. Mr. W. Pitt brought in a nesses in the case of Sir 'Thoinas Rum- bill for regulating the different public boid.

offices, the purpose of which, he itated, May 28. General Smith rose to move was to embrace all the different objects several resolutions on the reports of the pointed out in the King's speech, at select committee, the object of which the opening of the sellion. The mowas to cenfure Sir William James and tion for printing the bill being carried, Mr. Sullivan, for neglect in transmit- he moved for accounts of the fees, ting dispatches to India. Mr. Fox gratuities, and perquisites received in thought, that, as the present was only the said offices, and of the annual inpart of the India business, the whole of cidental charges incurred in each, which which must foon be submitted to the were ordered. House, it was unnecessary to pursue it Mr. Burke having adverted to fome then. He, therefore, mored the next complaints relative to the fees taken at order of the day, which was for hear- the 'Treasury, for paffports to Ameing counsel on the Anglesea mine bill. rica and other parts, moved for ac

May 30. In the Upper House, the counts of all fees received on passports great questien concerning the legality given to any ships, at the Secretary of of bonds of refignation was argued, State's, or any other office, from the and decided in the negative, by a ma- zoth of November 1782. Mr. Pitt jority of a single voice. As this de- feconded the motion. Mr. Burke then cition will not only be a precedent, but moved for copies of all letters apply

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